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BenchwmerSpectatorReferal from Ortho (not my patient), sold patient’s mother on a laser surgery. 14 year old male.
Ortho wants #6 exposed and sent me a bracket to cement on and a wire.
Need a bloodless surgery, so used PerioLase, free running pulsed Nd:YAG, 3.0W 20Hz 150usec.
Exposed clinical crown of #6.
Is there anything else I needed to do? Is the only concern of the surgery placing the bracket? Are there any other tissue concerns?
Cemented on bracket and placed ligature wire.Returned patient to Ortho for trearment.
Jeff
Glenn van AsSpectatorHey Vince……thanks for the kind words. Yes under high mag there is a bur on the end of that 1/16th round bur (high speed).
As mentioned……slowspeed or electric handpieces , heck even some guys and gals are using endo handpieces with a slowspeed round bur with little discomfort.
Next off, Marks spoons are great, check them out at http://www.laserdentaltools.com (I dont get a thing from him but they are that good).
Next off high mag is great because you then can visually see whether there is still decay left. At higher mags you can see the texture of the dentin.
Use caries indicator if you want but its not very pretty.
In closing , make darn sure that you do go back and tactile feel the dentin because many of us (ME INCLUDED) have looked at BW and seen decay left behind on non local laser preps because the mushy decay gets translucent and looks clean when it isnt…….here is a case I did today.
Glenn
BenchwmerSpectatorHey Glenn,
Nice documentation of your work. Wonderful results.
Question why remove sealant w/ bur instead of Erbium?
Jeff
Glenn van AsSpectatorHi Jeff: Nice case and thanks for sharing the photos which are excellent.
Jeff , one thing that I have learned is that the attached tissue in cases like this is vital. It must be retained if at all possible with a flap otherwise the risk is that the tooth will come into place without any attached tissue.
I will show you a case or two that I have done but the predominant theme is always to retain the attached tissue. What remains after this surgery was minimal but I would love to see the post op.
Thanks for sharing a very valuable case.
Glenn
Glenn van AsSpectatorHi Jeff: Great question. I didnt see any shadows at 16X mag around the FS , and no stain so I figured that it was pretty safe to remove with the 1/16th round bur which has far less scatter than the laser. You could use either but I just wanted to be conservative without creating a huge defect. I use the 1/16th, 1/8th burs early on to open up stained grooves and if there is more decay then the fissureotomy burs , laser, 1/4round diamond which are all a little larger in diameter.
Hope that helps
Glenn
dkimmelSpectatorNice use of the Nd:YAG. It will be interesting to see the post op. Glenn has point about AG.
Robert Gregg DDSSpectatorHi Guys,
I’m re-reading the original question and have some different thoughts.
The term “color” and “chromaphore” in the context of lasers and photonics shouldn’t be taken literally or only in our human limited dimension of visual acuity: blue to red.
Remember with lasers and photonics we are talking about the electromagnetic spectrum–from invisible ionizing wavelengths or “colors”, to the visible non-ionizing/non-thermal wavelengths or colors in the literal sense as we understand them because we can see them, to the invisible thermal wavelengths or “colors”.
That is at least one test question on ALD’s written exam.
The molecular bond is not the absorbing material with erbiums, it is the water molecule. Since the combined wavelengths of white light (blue through red) are all absorbed into the color of black, we have a simple way to refer to absorption by invisible light.
So wavelengths that are highly absorbed in water can be understood to be “black” to that wavelength. Threfore, one way to think about erbims is that water is “black” to erbium–i.e. highly or completely absorbed. Consequently, the “color” or “chromaphore” of erbium absorption is water.
As far as diodes (810nm for example) versus Nd:YAG (1064nm) goes, they are both well in the near-infrared spectrum being only 254nm apart.
So, you have to enter into the equation pulse duration which governs energy density (aka intensity).
Wavelength is critical, but temporal emission mode controls the rate, rapidity, and quality as well as the dimensionality of similar wavelengths absorbed in similar colors.
Does that make more sense?
Bob
Robert Gregg DDSSpectatorAs certain as I can be of anything.
Yes, I got your email and replied. I was out with the flu for 2 days.
Bob
Samuel MossSpectatorDavid,
Looking forward to seeing you at the ALD in New Orleans. Last weekend, I was at the Periolase/Milliniuum meeting in Las Vegas. Glenn talked about using the chisel tip when doing Class 2 preps as it gives a bigger footprint and thus less time in prepping. Have you tried it? It sure looked logical.Mossman
dkimmelSpectatorMan this was an old thread.
Yea it will be great to catch up with people at the ALD. I think we need to talk Ron into having a Laser Dental Forum meeting. Nothing fancy more like a study club. That way we can sit around and pick each others brains and have some fun as well –sort of like the old mastermind groups. Oh and by asking Ron it would not be asking Ron to put it together cause he has a lot on his plate already. I think there is enough of us that it could be a worth while event.Interestng ideal on the chisel tip. Glenn never tells me stuff anymore!!! I’ll try it.
BenchwmerSpectatorGlenn,
I still utilize Air Abrasion at 60psi, 27 micron aluminun oxide to prepare teeth for sealants, remove existing sealants and to remove stains to locate caries in grooves. Caries remaining is then removed with more AA at 60 or 80 psi or with Erbium or small round burs.
One of my assistants, Cheryl, tells me working with me is like cooking Thanksgiving dinner, I use all the utensils everyday.
Jeff
Vince C FavaSpectatorI echo Glen’s remarks. An apically positioned FTF is the best way to go here. Great hemostasis. Thanks for sharing.
BenchwmerSpectatorLooking at the photos, I noticed that I also treated the inflamation associated with #7 with the PerioLase.
I’ll check with the Orthodontist to see if I can get some post-op photos.
Jeff
Glenn van AsSpectatorHi Jeff: here is one I did a long time ago before Danny and others helped me realize a little bit about flaps. This is around 2 years old but it serves a purpose.
The healing was good with respect to attached tissue but my vertical inicision never healed 100% and this is how you learn. I hope that others like this.
Glenn
Glenn van AsSpectatorI think that this FS removal with AA is a good thing to do, but I hate using the AA with the scope. The particles clog up the light source and the fan stops and then the lights keep buring out.
That is a funny story about the thanksgiving dinner but true.
Hope all is well in your area……off to write an article.
Glenn
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