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  • in reply to: Continuous vs. pulsed ????? #7895

    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Ron,

    Complicated? Sure……but do you like the control over tissue, and the results?

    Bob

    in reply to: Lasers and Sales Tax #9403

    Patricio
    Spectator

    Bob,
    Your comments on the sales tax can not be generalized. In Michigan, businesses are required to voluntarily pay sales tax on all non taxed out of State purchases which would be taxed if purchased in Michigan as if they were purchased in Michigan.

    Pat

    in reply to: Continuous vs. pulsed ????? #7886

    Anonymous
    Spectator

    This afternoon I seated the first crown that I used the  FR nd:YAG for troughing. Margin was exactly where I had it to begin with and the tissue was very healthy.

    So yes I like the tissue control and results.

    in reply to: Lasers and cracks #7388

    jetsfan
    Spectator

    I noticed something else yesterday, which I have seen before but never thought twice about: A patient has a OL amalgam on a max first molar and there is a crack which runs fron the filling gingivally. It is stained dark.
    I always believed that it was the large filling causing the crack in the tooth. Now I’m not so sure. Perhaps it was the metal bur in the drill that caused the microcrack and it was stained over time by the amalgam.

    in reply to: Tip Activation #10808

    vince
    Spectator

    Hey Bob, Ron, Glenn,

    …have you ever played as a child “monkey in the middle” where the ball gets lobbed back and forth over your head, just out of reach….that’s what this post has been like for me (kinda). I just received the 980 Diode and have also ordered Jeff’s book (thank god).
    Your knowledge amazes me.
    Cheers,
    Vince

    in reply to: LLLT with Meds #8235

    dkimmel
    Spectator

    Kelly, Sorry for the delay with my response. I was just hoping to increase the absoption of the topical through the tissue.
    David

    in reply to: Continuous vs. pulsed ????? #7890

    dkimmel
    Spectator

    Ron, When I first posted the question I thought that maybe it was one of those obvious things that I just didn’t get! Like when my wife asks me if I want to help her out in the yard and I say NO! Then later very much regret saying NO !
    I think I understand that with pulse duration, the longer this is the greater the thermal necrosis/coagualtion. The longer the period between the pulses (interval) the more relaxation of the tissue.
    How important is this relaxation.?The more you have the less damaging affects. Does it affect pentration? What occurs with a rapid cycle of relaxation? Does this cause futher changes to the tissue? Does the relaxation/stimualtion have anything to do with Biostimulation?
    I could see inceasing the pulse duration until you see the desired results. What of the interval. What will you see by incerasing/decreasing this?
    What is the difference in tissue reaction to an activated tip vs an inactivated? Is it just that the tip gets hotter?

    Better yet, here I am trying to remove granulation tissue in an active periodontal pocket and is this entirely a good idea? The presence of granulation tissue is involved in the healing process. Does removing all the granulation tissue slow the healing process?
    How selective is the use of the laser in this process of removing the granulation tissue? Am I able to just remove this tissue or is there profound deeper tissue consequnces?
    It sounds that you are finding Periolase MVP 7 less more useful then the Lasersmile?
    DAvid

    in reply to: Continuous vs. pulsed ????? #7884

    Anonymous
    Spectator

    Quote: from dkimmel on 10:54 pm on July 3, 2003
    How important is this relaxation.?The more you have the less damaging affects. Does it affect pentration? What occurs with a rapid cycle of relaxation? Does this cause futher changes to the tissue? Does the relaxation/stimualtion have anything to do with Biostimulation?

    Wow!
    David, couldn’t you have started this post and directed it at Bob or Del , instead of Ron?  😉
    I hope one of the experts will help me out here and do some correction where needed, but I’ll give it a try.

    With less relaxation time I think you will have more of a thermal effect to a greater depth.  
    As far as biostim, with CW there is generally 1 maxima where you get the desired effect and then when going past that you can get inhibition. Pulsed has several maxima. Most of what I have read seems to indicate dose is more important than pulsed vs CW in biostim. Not sure what you mean by rapid cycle of relaxation.

    Quote: from dkimmel on 10:54 pm on July 3, 2003
    I could see inceasing the pulse duration until you see the desired results. What of the interval. What will you see by incerasing/decreasing this?
    What is the difference in tissue reaction to an activated tip vs an inactivated? Is it just that the tip gets hotter?

    If you decrease the time between pulses (in a set time frame) then you will be delivering more eneregy (dose) in that given time frame.
    If you increase the pulse duration, you also will deliver more energy in a given time frame.

    As far as hot or activated tip goes- I understand activation to be a process whereby you are trying to keep the energy localized at the tip to use as ‘hot glass’  

    Quote: from dkimmel on 10:54 pm on July 3, 2003 Better yet, here I am trying to remove granulation tissue in an active periodontal pocket and is this entirely a good idea? The presence of granulation tissue is involved in the healing process. Does removing all the granulation tissue slow the healing process?
    How selective is the use of the laser in this process of removing the granulation tissue? Am I able to just remove this tissue or is there profound deeper tissue consequnces?
    I think the answers here depend on how you’re going about removing the granulation tissue (hot glass diode vs. FR nd:YAG). Even with the perioscope, can you be sure you removed all the granulation tissue anyway?
    Using an activated tip, if you stay too long in one place there can be profound deeper tissue consequences (I guess the same is true for unactivated, but I think the zones of abalation, necrosis, hemostatsis and hyperemia would be different )  .
    I think the selectivity is greater when you have the ability to vary the pulse duration, allow use of the proper amount of energy to accomplish the effect while still allowing for relaxation.

    Quote: from dkimmel on 10:54 pm on July 3, 2003
    It sounds that you are  finding Periolase MVP 7 less  more useful then the Lasersmile?
    DAvid
    I originally bought the lasersmile with the idea of doing perio. I didn’t buy it for whitening. I got pretty good results in that we consistantly got 5-7 mm pockets down to 3’s or less. The amount of chair time in Tx was a big pain. Number of visits was calculated by taking pocket depth and subtracting three. 7 mm pockets would be treated 4 times (each visit 1mm shorter). Scheduling all these appts  1 week apart and getting patients to be consistent was difficult.
    I am very happy with the Periolase MVP7 in the short time I’ve had it.  The perio patients I’ve treated have been very happy. I did one last week with generalized 6-8mm pockets and where # 4 was vertically compressible w/11mm  still tested vital. Did Bob and Del’s protocol and splinted #4 as well. Patient took 2 motrin the next day. Pt had to miss one week followup, because of family emergency out of state, but called to say that side of her mouth hadn’t felt that good in years. On another patient last week did extractions 22-27 (27 surgical root tip ) on a patient taking Plavix. Pt’s physician saw no reason to take off Plavix (PDR says 7 days- I’ll withhold my comment on the physician). Did extractions and used the laser to ‘clot’. No bleeding problem afterward at all. I know I haven’t even scratched the surface in what you can do with this FR nd:YAG. The laser is well thought out- meter for testing output (which I also use to check my Waterlase tips now), you can record and print out on paper the energies you used along with the patient name and procedure -talk about making chart entry easier.   Finally, as you can probably tell from Bob and Del’s posts-they know what they are doing and the training you get from them is awesome.
       

    in reply to: Off Topic #3090

    Anonymous
    Spectator

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    in reply to: Lasers and Sales Tax #9405

    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Yeah, Pat, true.

    I didn’t mean to over-generalize.

    Every state has it’s own rules…..so that needs to be figured in to each buyer’s individual situation.

    MDT just refunded tax collected in Alabama because MDT did not have a nexus in Alabama and the State tax collector said MDT should refund the money to the doctor, and not pay it to the State.

    It can even get more complicated, as one Southern State (I can’t remember which one) required MDT to calculate and pay local/county sales tax in addition to State tax. They had a calculation table MDT had to follow.

    Bob

    Bob

    in reply to: Continuous vs. pulsed ????? #7896

    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Hi David,

    For what it’s worth, I’m very impressed with your desire to understand laser tissue interactions to the depth you have clearly thought it through to make the most sense of it all.  Your thoughtfulness, quality of questions, and desire to know the actual physics involved and consequent tissue interactions remind me of the same sort of questions that our host Ron asked early in his quest for understanding.

    And Ron, I think your answers and explanations were excellent.  

    David’s questions are many and detailed, and go to the very heart of the clinical goal to optimize beneficial laser tissue interactions, while minimizing detrimental side effects.

    Maybe some historical perspective and details Del and I learned along our discovery process when researching the effects of varying pulse duration in “free-running” pulsed lasers versus CW/gated lasers (e.g.diodes) would be helpful.

    Basically our investigations showed that free-running pulsed near-infrared lasers maximized desirable clinical outcomes, gave the widest safety margin, and minimized undesirable thermal side effects.  

    Why?

    Well, because of the way the devices output their energy.

    Free-running (10-6 seconds) pulsed Nd:YAG laser—are truly pulsed lasers that have an “on” time of, for example, 150 microsecond pulse duration (with peak powers of 1500 watts per pulse) and “off” times (pulse interval) of 49,850 microseconds (at 20 Hz)—nearly 500 times the thermal tissue relaxation time than a diode.  That laser capability means a whole lot more and different work is possible with less thermal risk to surrounding tissues, than CW lasers.

    So pulsed lasers are have more efficiency and are more forgiving to the surrounding tissues.

    Our investigations confirmed what the dermatology literature was saying at the time (1996), that the thermal relaxation threshold for tissue was around 700 microseconds.  Once our pulsed lasers exceeded 700 usec pulse duration, we started losing that control and forgiveness we had at shorter pulse durations.  A diode at the shortest pulse duration attainable with today’s devices is .001 second 1 millisecond = 1000 microseconds.  And the pulse interval might be 2 to 10 times (versus 500 times) with a CW laser, and without the energy density (intensity of 1500 watts/pulse) sufficient to do the work desired.

    So, when you simplify what’s actually going on with the way in which different lasers output their energy, and the way in which tissues respond to the energy delivery–it’s a lot easier to understand.

    Hope that helps a little.

    Happy 4th!

    Bob

    (Edited by Robert Gregg DDS at 5:34 pm on July 4, 2003)

    in reply to: Continuous vs. pulsed ????? #7887

    dkimmel
    Spectator

    Ron,Bob
    You have given me more to think about and soon to follow more questions.
    For now they will have to wait. If my wife catches me on logged on today— I am dead. I’ve got to get back to the relatives!
    One qick question – Any perticular literature sorces that deal with this?
    I hear foot steps!!!!!!
    DAvid

    in reply to: Cerac 3D #6433

    Elton Yeung
    Spectator

    Sam,

    this sounds amazing, do you find that patients experience sensitivity after the inlays are cemented?

    in reply to: Soft Tissue Procedures #3299

    mickey frankl
    Spectator

    Do you contact the gingivae directly when doing a minor gingivectomy (of gum only)?i.e does the tip actualy touch the gingivae?

    in reply to: Tip Activation #10806

    dkimmel
    Spectator

    Vince, I have never played monkey in the middle but I know what you mean. I know I’ve read this post several months back and it is just now making sense. I’ve been reviewing Bob,Ron and Glenns post and not only does their knowledge amazes me but their wellness to share.
    David

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