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    greg holm
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    Even if I use a handpiece I always use aa to ‘cleanse’ my preps before the bonding sequence. Would the waterlase or delight lasers serve this purpose too?
    Greg

    #6267 Reply

    Anonymous
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    Greg, the laser would cleanse also. There are studies that show the laser sterilizes, removes the smear laser,  and etches. There are also studies that indicate increased acid resistance as well.

    : J Clin Laser Med Surg 2001 Jun;19(3):159-63 Related Articles, Links  

     
    A study on acquired acid resistance of enamel and dentin irradiated by Er,Cr:YSGG laser.

    Hossain M, Kimura Y, Nakamura Y, Yamada Y, Kinoshita JI, Matsumoto K.

    Department of Endodontics, Showa University School of Dentistry, Tokyo, Japan.

    OBJECTIVE: This investigation was performed to evaluate the acid resistance of lased enamel and dentin by Er,Cr:YSGG laser to artificial caries-like lesions by spectrophotometry, and the ultrastructure of lased areas was investigated by scanning electron microscopy (SEM) in vitro. BACKGROUND DATA: In recent years, many studies have been performed to evaluate the effects of Er,Cr:YSGG laser on dental hard tissues. However, there have been only a few studies to determine if this laser is suitable for caries preventive treatments. METHODS: An Er,Cr:YSGG laser was used to irradiate the enamel or dentin samples from 30 extracted human molars at 6 W (67.9 J/cm2) or 5 W (56.6 J/cm2) pulse energy, respectively, with or without water mist. Samples were subjected to 2 microl of 0.1 M lactic acid solution (pH 4.8) for 24 h at 36 degrees C. The parts per million (ppm) of calcium ion (Ca2+) dissolved in each solution was determined by atomic absorption spectrophotometery, and the morphological changes were investigated by SEM. RESULTS: The lowest mean Ca2+ ppm was recorded in the lased samples. SEM observation showed that the lased areas were melted and seemed to be thermally degenerated. After acid demineralization, the thermally degenerated enamel or dentin surfaces were almost unchanged. CONCLUSIONS: The results of this study suggested that Er,Cr:YSGG laser irradiation with and without water mist appears to be effective for increasing acid resistance.

    PMID: 11469308 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]

    #6271 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Greg there are several cases where I have done this and posted them here……….

    This is one I could find.

    http://www.rwebstudio.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=29&topic=32

    and one more

    http://www.rwebstudio.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=29&topic=31

    glenn

    #6268 Reply

    greg holm
    Spectator

    Thanks guys.
    Greg

    #6275 Reply

    Swpmn
    Spectator

    Greg:

    Although I don’t have any carefully controlled scientific studies, I’ve had great clinical success for 9 months using an Erbium laser for caries removal, supposedly smear layer removal and also “etching” or beveling of enamel margins(I bevel anteriors but not posteriors). Actually let me rephrase that, I bevel Classes III, IV and V but not Classes I or II.

    We use Clearfil SE Bond after the laser prep but I apply primer twice and longer than the manufacturer recommends due to my communications with Raymond Bertolotti. Flowable composite is placed over dentin and our feedback on sensitivity is extremely low. Phosphoric acid is no longer used but our enamel margins on the patients now cycling through recalls look good.

    Al

    #6269 Reply

    greg holm
    Spectator

    Thanks for the post Allen. You mentioned a cl 3 prep. When doing a c3 or any prep where there is an adjacent tooth, do you need to place some sort of band or protection for the adjacent tooth?
    If amalgam causes damage to the tips and mirrors of the handpiece, would a metal matrix band do any damage?
    Greg

    #6272 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    I have had zero spark of matrix and it acclerates the cutting in class 2s which makes me think that it isnt the metal but actually the materials in the amalgam.

    What say ye…………..

    Glenn

    #6270 Reply

    greg holm
    Spectator

    Glenn. So the matrix is in good shape after prepping with the laser. Now that would be cool and a big plus. I am usually pretty careful but you know I still end up having to polish many adjacent contacts.
    Greg

    #6273 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    I have lots of cases with matrix bands used to protect the adjacent tooth.

    Laser doesnt do a thing to metal

    Glenn

    #6276 Reply

    Swpmn
    Spectator

    Personally I am not using a matrix to protect adjacent teeth but perhaps I’m missing something with my 2.5 loupes? Glenn?

    I direct the laser toward the center of the lesion first then carefully work outward towards DEJ until enamel against adjacent tooth collapses. I didn’t think I was nicking the adjacent tooth but now I’m wondering!!!

    Glenn, so no “sparking” against a metal matrix? That’s a fascinating find that the Erbium doesn’t “spark” against a composite matrix because I get real nervous using mine around metal. I blew a trunk fiber trying to do a patch job under an old PFM crown margin but I don’t know the metal content of the crown.

    Does anyone know the metal content of composite matrices? If we could determine what metals will damage our lasers or laser tips this would be invaluable. I use sectional matrices from Danville for my composites. Glenn’s observation that laser sparks around amalgam but not on metal matrix is something we really need to investigate and determine the exact mechanism of action.

    Al

    #6274 Reply

    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Hi All-

    Take a metal matrix into your “lab” and lase it. See what happens. In fact, do that with a lot of the materials you use in dentistry to better understand how they interact with any laser device.

    Bob

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