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  • #3431 Reply

    cadavis
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    OK guys,
    I’ve got a patient who has a failing endo on #8. I usually refer out the apicos but she has no insurance and is concerned about cost (single mom, etc….). Since I now have this handy dandy Opus laser, I figure I’ll do my first laser apico probono. If any of you are using the Duo Er/Yag, I would appreciate some info. Actually I’d like a LOT of info. Such as:
    – incision using the laser (Er or CO2?),
    -is Er or slow speed better to reach root tip.
    -After removing 2-3mm from root tip, what is currently viewed as best fill material?
    -Does the CO2 have any place in this procedure?
    -what do you think about using GelFoam dusted with Tetracycline powder to fill void prior to suturing?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks,

    Chris Davis

    #11273 Reply

    brucesown
    Spectator

    Hi there,

    I typically do apicos using a scalpel for the incision. I use the laser for bone removal, because it is precise, antibacterial and possibly promotes healing. I think that MTA is probably the best material to use as it seals well and seems to have some osteogenic effect. It is, however, expensive and if you don’t have any lying around, I would suggest GIC, or I’ve even used “gasp” amalgam. Don’t have access to a CO2 laser, so can’t comment on that. My suggestion is that you try to stain the apex with methylene blue to try and find any cracks that are lurking. Most of my failures have been from cracks that I only found after the extraction. Have never heard of using tetracycline, but I do often pack with gelfoam. I don’t suppose the tetracycline will hurt, but I would worry about a foreign body reaction if there were any inert fillers in the drug. I don’t know that for a fact, but it would be my paranoid first thought unless I read a credible argument to the contrary. I don’t know what you would gain as the laser energy should probably be sufficient to decontaminate the area. Try to be as atraumatic as you can with the flap, give yourself lots of room if the lesion proves to be bigger than you thought. A little grove in the bone for the retractor to sit in will help avoid trauma caused by the retractor slipping. Suture it up tight and see the patient in a week or so. I will sometimes prescribe post op antibiotics.

    I’m just a lowly GP so don’t take my word as gospel, but I have done a lot of these and they mostly work out for the good.

    Best of luck.

    #11272 Reply

    Hubert
    Spectator

    Hi Chris,

    glad you joined the Opus Duo ranks. Since you have the Duo you have everything you need for performing a smooth apico. I would use the 200 micron tip for the incision (setting would be anything like soft tissue crown lenghtening). You would typically not use CO2 for that incision since you want some bleeding. I would do the incision with the straight handpiece for easier access. I would then change the tip to something like 600 micron and change setting to crown lenghtening HT (hard tissue) and go forward to cut trough the root and remove granulation tissue. You may then change to angled handpiece to prep your retro apical seal (cave lasers don’t like some GP). I seal it with Diaket which is way less expensive and does the job fine. Fill up bony defect with bio-oss, suture with 5.0 or finer and make a prescription for antibiotics and ibuprofen. Once you have ventured into making incisions with your laser, you will rarely touch a scalpell again. Oh, btw, you may clean out granulation tissue with the straight CO² and  remove any char with a spoon. I really do like the versatility of my Opus for that reason, changing wavelenght is just a matter of changing handpieces. I do not get paid by OPus for saying this- but I am taking offers;-)).
    Hope that helps, good luck and keep us posted
    HUbert

    #11269 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Hubert and Bruce, great replies there and that helps alot I am sure for those individuals trying to do apicos with their erbium/CO2 lasers.

    Thanks for those well thought out ideas.

    Glenn

    #11268 Reply

    jetsfan
    Spectator

    Glen,
    I have used Atridox to fill the void before suturing. IF you have any lying around you might try this.

    Robert

    #11274 Reply

    cadavis
    Spectator

    Thanks for the info. I really appreciate you taking the time to help me out.
    Damn, I love this site!

    I’m in an area where nobody else uses hard tissue lasers so we don’t have any study groups for it. Can’t wait till a few others get on the ball.

    Chris

    #11270 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Hi Robert…….I am using Osseograf sometimes with Pepgen mixed in. The logic for me is that the laser has already sterilized the space, gelfoam wont stimulate osteoblast. I think that the osseograf and pepgen is a good solution for the crypt.

    Glenn

    #11267 Reply

    jetsfan
    Spectator

    Glenn,
    I like your reasoning. In this case I chose atridox for 2 reasons:
    I had some and this patient absolutlely refused to take antibiotics post op.

    Robert

    #11271 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    good idea Robert and its great to see the reasoning we each have because it is really thinking outside of the box.

    This isnt something we learn in school is it!!

    Cya

    Glenn

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