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lookin4tSpectatorBrief version:
Other studies excluded ultrasonics when comparing an Er:YAG for root planing.
This study didn’t and the Er:YAG did no better than a cavitron…and a calculus detection laser was used as well! May have been the Detectar. NO CALCULUS detection laser was used for the ultrasonic.
In addition, concerns about damage to the root were mentioned, but said they must be insignificant because clinically things went well.
AnonymousGuestWow, I hope those studies were a cut and paste job
Not having used the Detectar in conjunction w/ the laser, my concerns are that unless the Detectar locked the erbium beam onto the fluorescing calculus , (like radar on an enemy plane) its additional benefit seems limited. I can picture some difficulty with the Detector going off, and then repositioning the erbium beam to hit the calculus. I think I’ll wait for the Alexendrites for laser scaling.
Thanks for sharing,
lookin4tSpectatorThe detectar has a few too many false negative because of the angle of the beam…and it seems just because it says it’s there, doesn’t mean you can remove it!
It took me 20 minutes with a perioscope to remove one piece I could see at a demo.
Robert Gregg DDSSpectatorYep,
I can testify that the Detectar adds considerable time to the search for elusive calculus and false positives!
Bob
Robert Gregg DDSSpectatorHi Hack,
“The sites treated with ERL demonstrated mean CAL gain of 1.48 ± 0.73 mm (P <0.001) and of 1.11 ± 0.59 mm (P <0.001) at 3 and 6 months, respectively.” versus 4.1mm in the Yukna/LANAP/LSU/IADR study using FRP Neodymium:YAG.
Excuse me while I yawn. 😉
This study has no human histology to determine whether the results were via repair (long junctional epithelium), new attachment or ankylosis.
The Yukna FRP Nd:YAG and Laser ANAP human histology study at three months demostrated cementum-mediated NA.
http://iadr.confex.com/iadr/2004Hawaii/techprogram/abstract_47642.htm
Swartz’s study was funded by KaVo the manufacturer of the Key3 erbium YAG and a built in red laser fluorescence feedback calculus detector.
I’m sorry, but if the clinical results aren’t any better than this–even with cementum NA then why bother?
At least this company is funding some research in an attempt to support their technology, and the results are being published. I give them credit for that!
Bob
dkimmelSpectatorEr for calculus removal sounds good! The Detectar sounds good. Once you have used a perioscope and have seen where calculus is left by a qualifed person, then you realize it just is not going to be better then a peizo and handscaling. It will be impossible to angle the Detectar or the Er in the sulcus to even locate the calculus much less remove it.
I am waiting to see how the Periolase does with the perioscope. I am in hopes that the calculus is easier to remove once it has been lased. We are now up to two teeth in two hours with the perioscope after over a year. Then again the last case was 2 hours on one lineangle and CEJ.David
lookin4tSpectatorHow is dentalview functioning as a company right now? I was told by Stombaugh that they can’t even pay attention right now.
Agreed on it sounds good but won’t fly.
I know that the hygienist that spoke for perioscope was asking Bob about degranulating for better vision…can’t think of her name to save my life right now.
dkimmelSpectatorDentalView is hanging on by a thread. It is really a shame. Kim Kutch is still on the advisory board, I think.
I sure hope they hang in there or someone buys them up. Hard to believe but the ROI has been greater for the Perioscope then the lasers. Though the new patient inflow is far greater with the lasers.
Degranulation for better vision is a big plus! I use my Diode to do this. If only the hygenist coud use the diode life would be easier.
SwpmnSpectatorQUOTEAt least this company is funding some research in an attempt to support their technology, and the results are being published. I give them credit for that!In the middle of my yawn the quoted comment cracked me up. If you hit a square peg hard enough you can force it into a round hole. With current erbs, I suggest sticking to composite restoration preps and certain soft tissue procedures.
Al
Glenn van AsSpectatorAnd bone!!
Glenn
Robert Gregg DDSSpectatorQUOTEQuote: from lookin4t on 11:23 am on Aug. 3, 2004
How is dentalview functioning as a company right now? I was told by Stombaugh that they can’t even pay attention right now.Agreed on it sounds good but won’t fly.
I know that the hygienist that spoke for perioscope was asking Bob about degranulating for better vision…can’t think of her name to save my life right now.
Anna Patterson
Robert Gregg DDSSpectatorAl–
It’s hard to get a audible laugh out of me this time of the day, but your post did it!
Bob
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