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  • #3405 Reply

    2thlaser
    Spectator

    Hey everyone, I have done this before, but my friend, Dr. Bob Lowe, who is Ross Nash’s partner, taught me these, just thought I’d share one today. This is another reason why I love our lasers. Normally, send off to the periodontist, wait 8 weeks, get em back, do restoration. Today this patient came in, had sheared off a crown that was on this tooth which was an abutment for her lower partial denture. It had been previously treated endodontically, and the endo was fine. Notice the tissue growing over the tooth. I used a T-4 tip with .5w 11%air and 7%water, troughed around and exposed the root area, then used a hemostat to remove an old stainless post. I enlarged the canal space with a batt cone burr, and took the impression for the post. Here is the preop photo.
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    Here is the post op photo.

    DSCF0153.jpg

    Ok, now I removed approximately 1mm of bone circumfrentially, and have a biological width of 2-3 mm. I would like some constructive criticism. What would you others do here? What type of post? Build up? Teach me some new tricks! Please! I love how the laser really gives us such lattitude to do things well. I got an excellent impression, and oh, of course, the patient felt nothing, I used no anesthetic, and she was happy, she said she was on a diet, and was happy to lose the ounce she shed once I removed the tissue, isn’t that hillarious? Thanks everyone.
    Mark

    #10953 Reply

    Anonymous
    Guest

    Mark,

    Nice job on the post removal and laser prep.

    I’d go with cast post and core, cutting a keyway in the post prep, so the new post/ core can’t rotate when the RPD is placed back on the new crown. Could it be the rotational forces are what caused the core to fail around the old post?

    Seems like with the tapping force of the laser there should be a way to use that to break up cement around a post and vibrate it out. Maybe put an intermediate material on top the post and laser tap it? I don’t know just typing out loud smile.gif

    The biologic width sounds good , how much tooth (ferule?)do you have to place the crown on? I think I remember hearing or reading 2mm minimum or you increase chance of fracture. I can tell you the ones I’ve done with less than that have failed (those times patients and I didn’t want to have the periodontist do crown lengthening,prelaser era).

    Its hard to tell from the picture but 1 1/2 -2 mm biologic width plus 2mm minimum ferule and  I’d think you’d be good to go.

    #10957 Reply

    whitertth
    Spectator

    In these situations I have gone away from cast post and gone to a corepaste buildup with a clear resin post.. I bet with an endo tip or even a t-4 u would get some real nice etching of the canal and a great bond with something like tenure and corpaste..Den Mat also makes a nice resin post…just another suggestion…
    PS Great Job on the CL Mark

    #10963 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Great stuff……..here is one I did today with the crown in place………

    Glenn

    These are the photos during the prep……..

    I will send the post op shots next and then the radiographs.

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    #10965 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Part 2 the insert appt………look how nice the tissue looks and the margin is awesome ………

    Glenn[img]https://www.laserdentistryforum.com/attachments/upload/Resize of Rotation of DSCN3875.JPG[/img]
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    #10967 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Here are the preop and postop radiographs.  Not drastic but the result was great.

    Glenn

    [img]https://www.laserdentistryforum.com/attachments/upload/Resize of DSCN3553.JPG[/img]
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    #10966 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Mark……nice stuff. Do you have a radiograph of the case, then we could see how it looks. I think that you need to do either a cast post or a resin post with corebuild up but I am not sure either is gonna hold………

    I really love the laser dentistry. CLAP CLAP CLAP and the photos are great………

    You are gonna love the scope.

    Man what a night for posts huh.

    Glenn

    #10968 Reply

    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Mark and Glenn,

    Nice posts! Nice dentistry!

    You posts are making me envious and motivated and energized to get back to work, hook up my camera to the scope, fire up the scanner, and post some photos.:biggrin:

    Bob

    #10958 Reply

    whitertth
    Spectator

    Great stuff guys!! Got to love this venue for learning!

    #10961 Reply

    2thlaser
    Spectator

    This is wonderful. Thanks guys. I like everyones input, it gives me great ideas. Ron’s idea of using endotips before the build up, and the differing post ideas. I would have posted the radiograph, BUT, my other digital camera, which is much better for those, is down. Next time maybe. Thanks so much for everyone’s input, it really gives us all great insight into our own practice modalities, including what we can do with our lasers, photos, and teaching eachother. I will be out of town from Sunday through New Years, so probably no clinical posts, so everyone have a great holiday season, that is my wish for everyone on this board! You all are so great, and I have enjoyed, and still am enjoying getting to know each and every one of you. What’s even nicer, is that I have other people to refer to when a patient moves, or goes out of town. Like Ron in NYC. I have a patient who is a nanny there, and when she isn’t here, I have referred her to him for treatment if neccessary, and I have great comfort that she will see another laser dentist, who has a great commitment to our profession. I sleep well at night because of all of you. Thanks everyone again.
    Sincerely,
    Mark

    #10962 Reply

    2thlaser
    Spectator

    P.S. Glenn, great case!!! as well. Yes, I CANNOT wait for the scope. I also can’t wait to visit you and learn a bit how to use it. I have some preliminary dates…I will email you soon. Keep up the great work!
    Mark

    #10959 Reply

    whitertth
    Spectator

    Ok Gang..My turn..8o y/o with hopeless tooth that wouldnt hold out till implant work was done…this tooth will be added as pontic to implant prosthesis… the tooth fractured under old crown.  So we bust out our laser, soft tissue crown lenghtening, preped tooth with laser creating a depression where post would be( canal was calcified and didnt want to spend money on hopeless tooth).  I undercut internal aspect for that depression ,etched, tenure corepaste and cemented crown back on… Note on secong photo I frosted tissue and prep , creating my “Laser Band Aid”  of frost on the tissue
    angela preop.jpg

    angelalaserbandaid.jpg

    angela post op.jpg

    #10956 Reply

    whitertth
    Spectator

    I dont know why the before and middle pic didnt show up..it said it uploaded and inserted correctly…Ron Help?

    #10952 Reply

    Anonymous
    Guest

    Well that one was a challenge that took a bit of uploading and renaming to figure out.
    The problem was in the name of the image. The spaces for some reason caused the link to look for angela20%band20% aid20%.jpg instead of angela ban aid.jpg
    I think if the image files are named w/o spaces everything should be ok.
    Let me know if I didn’t get them in the correct order.
    Nice case Ron

    #10960 Reply

    whitertth
    Spectator

    u got them right …thanks for the help…little by little ill get better at posting these….

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