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    Glenn van As
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    Hi folks this frenectomy was done on a 9 year old whom the mom is presently refusing to have orthodontics done but wanted to see how much the frenectomy will help.

    Rather than arguing about it , I will do it while telling the parents that the odds are not in favour of it closing.

    I then will do the ortho at 11 -12.

    The keys with frenectomies is to see if the elastic tissue goes right through to the palatal and if it does you must remove the fibers.

    There are two ways. Larry Kotlow uses this technique where he actually goes through the fibers from the facial troughing right through the papilla to the palatal.

    I prefer to actually release the fibers on the facial and then make a small incision with the laser soft tissue tip on the palatal right down to the periosteum to release those fibers.

    I use anesthetic here although some claim that EMLA is enough. I dont want to do it 2X so I use anesthetic.

    One thing you can do is to blow air on the surgical site gently to see if there are still fibers remaining. With the scope I can see if I still have fibers left to remove , but often without the high mag it is tough to tell.

    Once you cut through the last fibers is when the bleeding starts, sometimes I have to use the Argon laser or you can use an astrigent solution or pressure. It will often take more time to stop the bleeding than the frenectomy which takes all of 90 secs or so.

    Hope this helps………..

    the last two photos are of the healing and the patients are generally not taking anything except Advil at times for the first day or two.

    Glenn

    Frenectomy collage.jpg

    #9868 Reply

    Glenn van As
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    Here is a 2nd Frenectomy done with the method I like of making a small incision on the palatal right down to the periosteum on the palatal. This method was taught to me by Dr. Larry Finkbeiner from Colorado springs who is a periodontist who routinely uses the Argon laser for these.

    The healing was uneventful and if I can find another case I will post it for you of the healing.

    The settings are typically 30Hz and 80-120 mj (2.4-3.6watts) without water for the soft tissue with the pointed soft tissue tip which cuts a little cleaner and faster than a regular tip.

    Magnification helps you see the fibers and prevents you from having to redo the frenectomy.

    Hope this helps stimulate some debate.

    These are easy and are 200 dollars per frenum so if you are interested in doing these then at least you have seen some photos.

    I typically give them a bottle of Chlorhexidine and tell them to swab it with Q tips 2 times per day for 6 days and then see them on the 6th day.

    I also advise them, no hot sauces, and to expect only a little discomfort, often it seems like it starts on the 3rd day once the nerve fibers start regenerating. Advil works fine for that. The laser dulls the nerve fibers (obtunds) and it really isnt too sore usually for the first couple of days and then sometimes mild discomfort for a day or two come day 3.

    Hope you like it.

    GlennFrenetomy #2 Collage.jpg

    #9870 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    oops the file didnt upload.

    Here it is.

    GlennFrenectomy 2.jpg

    #9869 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Here is a third one that shows the healing at 8 days. Again you can see the slight bleeding when cutting the tissue on the labial.

    I used a curved tip in the palate for easier positioning (its tough to get the straight soft tissue tip in the palate on a little kid).

    The healing photos are at 8 days.

    GlennFrenectomy 3.jpg

    #9867 Reply

    whitertth
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    Glenn, Great stuff…. I have done a few but I am still somewhat hesitant for fear of anatomical structures…but with your pix,I am ready to jump in and do more….Happy New Year

    #9873 Reply

    Swpmn
    Spectator

    Glenn:

    As usual, nice cases!

    Is that the “handpiece”-like delivery attachment for your Continuum you are using in these photos? Also, what are the dimensions of the tapered tip you are using?

    What is the Continuum website so that I may learn more about your laser?

    Al

    #9871 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Hi Allen: no this is the pen type delivery system. WIth the scope its hard to see around the back of the handpiece so I use surgical length burs alot to get the back of the handpiece out of the way of the scopes viewpoint.

    Conbios web site (they are conbio now and not Continuum after selling of their industrial and custom made laser section.)

    The old site is still there at

    http://www.conbio.com/mainswf.html

    Gosh the tip is very narrow at the tip and about 1 cm long.

    I dont know the actual dimensions…….I apologize for that maybe I can post it when I find out.

    Glenn

    #9866 Reply

    ericbornstein
    Spectator

    Glenn:

    Very nice work. I also perform the same procedure frequently with a slight alteration in technique.

    After I am finished with the Erbium ablation, I lightly go over the area with a Super-pulsed and defocused CO2 at 1 watt, to gain a bit more hemostasis. My personal preference, and it is as easy as picking up the next handpiece on the OpusDuo.

    You however seem to have it down perfectly with just the Er:YAG.

    Nice work and Great Pics.

    Eric Bornstein DMD

    #9872 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Hi Eric: YOu know what , I never thought of the CO2 for this but now that you mention it , I bet it is the perfect wavelength for controlling the bleeding. THe erbium is great for frenectomies as it cuts fast and in addition the depth of penetration is minimal so I find the healing to be faster than if I try it with the diode or Argon . The negative thing is that there is far more bleeding with the eRbium once you get through the last few fibers……boom it starts bleeding . With the microscope you can see the bleeding just after the last fiber is removed. I find it takes a few minutes of pressure to stop the bleeding but with the CO2 that might shorten the time to control bleeding down to a minimum.

    good point.

    Thanks for the kind words and nice to have your scientific expertise here to add some weight to what the guru Bob Gregg says.

    Take care

    Glenn

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