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    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Some people in certain forums (Dental Town for instance) have raised the valid point on ROI ( Return on Investment) and I looked today at my totals from lasers and without.

    I produced around 5000 dollars total in a 10 hr day ( one hour for lunch) Canadian today. My associate around 2500.

    I saw 28 patients including hygiene today , my associate saw 13

    I used the erbium laser 6 times today and did the following.

    2 Class 1
    1 Class 3
    2 Class 4
    5 Class 5 all but one restoration without anesthetic

    In addition I did the large fibrous hyperplasia (see ERbium today and used the soft tissue capabilities of the laser on all five class 5 ( around 70 dollars per tooth for the soft tissue recontouring to expose the gingival margins all without anesthetic)

    In addition I had a consult with a patient who needs osseous bone removal to save a first molar and 2nd premolar with deep interproximal caries but didnt want to go to a specialist for perceived high costs for treatment. Patient willing to go ahead with two endos, two crowns and osseous interproximal recontouring with the laser which sold the treatment plan because it could be done in house.

    In total the laser accounted for over 1400 dollars Canadian of my total production today.(28% of income today) and remember I havent raised my fees and Canadian fees are very low compared to many USA fees.

    All procedures were done with the scope and using the hard tissue laser and of the 26 patients I saw today, 19 of them were seen with the scope.

    I dont have a scope in my hygiene room yet so I didnt use the scope on my 7 hygiene patients.

    I only post this not as a see what I did, but to dispel the notion that you cant be fast using a scope, (you only see 2 patients a day). Remember, I never bought the laser or scope to make money with them, I only realized afterwards how powerful they were for marketing. I just wanted to do better work with the scope and more anesthetic free dentistry particularly in children with the erbium laser.

    And to help with the notion that lasers cant be used frequently and routinely in daily practice.

    Hopefully this is of interest to those of you interested in this technology.

    I paid my lease off for the month in todays income. ( the laser is almost paid off anyways…..2K to go I think)

    I know this will generate some interesting remarks both positive and negative I am sure.

    Glenn

    #8625 Reply

    Patricio
    Spectator

    Glenn,

    Since I have 11 months into laser use I am just beginning to add new potential uses which will fall to the bottom line. I want to say that I am following someones advise to strongly market the laser. This has been very positive and our new patient calls have possibly doubled our new patient exams. So we are developing income more indirectly. I have started charging for the tissue work which I was giving away. At the same time that service is more predicable and conficent in my hands so it is time to charge.

    Your leadership and the other veterans posting have moved me light years ahead of where I would have been. Thanks.

    Pat

    #8629 Reply

    Patricio
    Spectator

    Glenn,

    I meant to mention the local primary TV station call today and spend at least an hour filming all around our office. They called because of our Rembrandt one hour whitening service. I have turned some of those who have responded to this add (non patients of record) into laser patients for the replacement of anterior restorations following whitening. Cross pollenation! The first health spot featuring the laser by this TV canel is on my web site thanks to Ron.

    Pat

    #8616 Reply

    Anonymous
    Guest

    Recently placed a small ad (4×5″) in weekly advertiser with a distribution of 11,000 (my practice is in a town of 2200). Everyday we get calls from new patients requesting to transfer to us or to just begin coming to the dentist. Tuesday I almost fell over when my receptionist said she had received calls from and scheduled 14 new patients just that day. Great problem to have !
    Those of you who have had your lasers longer (August for me), how have the surrounding dentists reacted to the lasers and patient transfers?

    #8630 Reply

    Patricio
    Spectator

    Ron,
    One year the middle of December!

    So far one dentist has come over to see the laser and has recently purchased a whitening light like mine. Another dentist has asked if he could see the machine and a third who is involved in programs for the dental societ has asked if I would present something at the meeting. I generally do not attend so do not have much contact with other dentists. Nothing negative so far. We have had several transfers in which seem to be related to the laser.

    Pat

    #8623 Reply

    Janet Century
    Spectator

    Ron – how about an update. Have you continued advertising in the local paper, and have new patients kept up? We met last night with our local newspaper and will start placing ads after the new year starts. Any tips?

    Thanks

    Janet

    #8618 Reply

    Anonymous
    Guest

    Janet,
    I actually only ran the ad 1x/week for 4 weeks.
    We were busy before doing so, but were getting swamped afterwards. We averaged about 3 np calling to schedule each day while running the ad and now w/o the ad 1np/day.

    Word of mouth is powerful and all we can handle right now. So no more ads for awhile.

    As far as the ad, get Howie Horricks books ,or Rod Kurthy’s new one which I think are available thru http://newpatientsinc.com/. The best thing about these is that they get you focused on patients emotions and what they’ll react to as opposed to whether or not you can do a composite. I ran my ideas past Rod who was nice enough to offer feedback on my ideas (thanks again ,Rod). I’m no expert but will do the same for others here.  My ad turned out to be 1 picture, 2 bold print lines and four short text lines (besides name ,location, etc.)
    I have a preliminary copy of the ad (which is copyrighted) online and regular posters here can email me if they’d like to see it. I won’t post it for lurkers as I’ve gotten too many email requests from people who don’t want to do any work, but rather just copy it.

    Good Luck with the marketing,

    p.s. Mark,just read the post about naming your practice. Great name. One of the things I ran past Rod was a new name for the practice. Last August I decided on Midwest Center for Laser Dentistry and its taken til last Thursday to get the state to approve my PLLC restatement papers. I’ve also got a great online place for logo development , mine should be done in the next couple days. Very reasonable- &#36350 for logo, and business package including letterhead. The next to final logo can be seen at the new website I’m developing. I’ll email that to regular posters if they’re interested also.

    #8626 Reply

    Patricio
    Spectator

    Janet,

    We discussed marketing at our staff meeting yesterday and concluded from our tracking that in our case we are receiving new patients from several directions including direct advertizing as Ron is doing, the phone book, word of mouth from satisfied patients, articles about our practice in the paper etc. We concluded that we are mostly trying to keep our name in the top two or three in peoples minds so when they are ready the may well think of us. This week a lady called who found us in the phone book. She had seen a piece some time ago on TV but could not recall our name until she looked in the phone book. So far with the newspaper ads I can easily say they pay for themselves in immediate response but we have not had Rons new patient numbers. Also we are not looking for new patients as such but people with certain demographic including the ability to pay for comprehensive care. I would be hapy with two or three of those a month.

    Pat

    #8631 Reply

    Rod
    Spectator

    Hi Pat,

    Merry Christmas everybody!!

    Since you want to target certain demographics (which is also my style), direct mail would be perfect for you. The great thing about direct mail is that you can design a direct mailer to appeal to specifically the demographic group you want to target, and THEN you can mail it to ONLY that group.

    As Ron mentioned, you can get this kind of information from Howie’s books and my new book, but what would REALLY be great for you is if you’re gonna attend the DentalTown Meeting in Vegas in February. Howie and I are going to be speaking about EXACTLY the type of marketing you need to do to achieve what you’re looking for.

    And we’ll not hold ANYTHING back. There will not be any of this ‘teasing’ stuff that many do. We won’t hold back so that you’ll sign up as a client with Howie, or buy books. This I can promise.

    And in the mean time, if you can tell me a bit more, maybe I can get you started in the right direction even sooner.

    Hey Janet — how’s it going with the book?

    Rod

    #8624 Reply

    Janet Century
    Spectator

    Rod – doing great! Thanks again.

    We are composing our first newspaper ads. We get to be in the monthly “health section”. The doctors who advertise in it get to take turns writing a “column” for the section. The sales rep was so excited about the laser (she cannot take local herself) that she is going to try to bump up my turn. Then I’ll be able to use the line “you may have seen Dr. Century’s article on lasers…..” in the direct mailings.

    Do you have any recommendations on companies who do targeted mailing lists? Or do I need to find a local?

    Merry Christmas!

    Janet

    #8617 Reply

    Anonymous
    Guest
    QUOTE
    Quote: from Rod on 11:46 am on Dec. 24, 2002
    you can get this kind of information from Howie’s books and my new book,
    Rod

    Just wondering when your (Rod) book will ship?-placed my order a couple weeks ago and am looking forward to reading it.

    #8632 Reply

    Rod
    Spectator

    Janet,

    Try Direct List Technology in Anaheim, California. Ask for Catherine Lovell.

    Ron,

    The videos are done and ready to mail. The packets of info are done. The book is being printed right now, and I hope it will be delivered to me before New Years.

    In the mean time, I’ll email you the entire manuscript. Hopefully you’ll receive your book VERY soon in the mail.

    MERRY Christmas!! I love this season!

    Rod

    #8627 Reply

    Patricio
    Spectator

    Rod,

    Thanks for the information.  I will go to school to see what we can do better.  At this point we have targeted several areas of up scale homeowners in our communtiy who live in subdivisions.  We have sent three separate mailings to each home so far and are evaluating the response before we continue.  We were able to pick the streets by driving around and knowing some people who lived in these areas and then somehow we get the names and addresses from the local library at no cost.  My staff does this.  We have intentionally coupled this with other media exposure in the same time frame.  I have your article with the questions to the prospective patients and am planning to use this in some way.  I have been surprised at the number of people who find us in the phone book or an ad  and follow up by checking out our web site.  A good web site is becoming  necessary.  More and more are downloading the new patient entrance forms and faxing them in ahead of time.

    Sorry I will not get to say hello at Dana Point and will miss the Vagas meeting this time.
    Pat

    Pat

    #8633 Reply

    Rod
    Spectator

    Pat,

    Consider this — postage is usually the single most expensive cost of direct mail marketing. By mailing to FULL carrier routes, and especially if you have a CASS certificate, you get your lowest mailing rate — right around &#360.12 per.

    Here’s what I do. I go to my list broker once every two years. We do the demographics while I’m there. We sit down at the computer and bring up a map of my area. My wife (who is my business manager) lays out the border of where we will ‘consider’ marketing to. In other words, she’s learned how far people will actually drive. So once we have established this border, then we bring up the demographics of the carrier routes.

    We see the average family income of each carrier route. Then we establish a lower limit, and select all carrier routes that average this and above.

    So now we have targeted our list, and we know we’ll get the lowest postage rate.

    Then each time I mail, we have our list broker update things for us so that we don’t miss any new building areas.

    Make sure you have your OWN bulk rate permit. It only costs &#36125 per year. If you use someone else’s bulk rate permit, it’s an open invitation to be scammed.

    The sad fact is that many mailing houses will tell you, “Oh, don’t bother getting your own permit — we’re such nice guys, that we’ll let you use ours.” Big mistake!! Many, if not most, of them will really screw you.

    For example, you end up paying them to fold, label, sort, bundle, and postage for 20,000 pieces. But what REALLY happens is that they throw 10,000 of your pieces in the trash. They fold, label, sort, bundle, and postage for only 10,000 pieces.

    They either then don’t give you a post office postage receipt, or they give you a forged one, OR, they combine your mailing with someone elses, so it looks like you mailed 20,000 pieces, or they combine yours with several others, so you really can’t tell squat.

    BUT, if you have your OWN permit, then YOU pay the post office directly, and it goes only on YOUR account for YOUR mailers. This way you KNOW they delivered 20,000 of YOUR mailers, and you don’t get screwed.

    Rod

    #8628 Reply

    Patricio
    Spectator

    Rod,
    Thanks, your suggestions should keep me busy for 2003. I will post my experiences.
    Pat

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