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    toothartist
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    Does anyone know if any CRA evalutors have started trying the hard tissue lasers (Waterlase or DeLight)? I wonder if anyone has heard any preliminary reports in the field or from CRA. You know how they are down on the in office light activated bleaching.

    Also, how do you think the next generation of hard tissue lasers will be improved…what will we see?

    Smaller units (They are fairly big)
    Work a little faster.( Some occlusal restoration stories make them sound like a good bit more work than the ole high speed.
    Less discomfort? I’m not sure what percentage of the time laser docs are using local.
    Quieter popping sounds.
    Less cost (They are really pricey)

    As you might surmise I’m tetering on buying one now to begin on the early curve. However, I was one of the early purchasers of dental office management computers about 18 years ago and I remember paying &#364,000 for and IBM CPU alone that ran at a whopping 8 Mhz and had 30 MB of hard drive. The early software was pathetic. I went through 2 dental software company bankruptcies and 3 transitions until I got Softdent. Whew.

    I have a fear of getting burned again with hard tissue lasers today but I love high tech stuff and like providing the best dentistry I can to my patients. Is this a good time jump in with a hard tissue laser?

    Michael

    #12332 Reply

    I will be seeing Gordon on March 5 when he speaks here in Toronto and I’ll pop the question.

    I recently purchased a Waterlase and was installed only last January. I had this funny feeling that I made a big mistake in spending this much money.

    Buyers remorse was still with me up to the time that I was registering for the World Clinical Laser Institute Symposium in San Diego last month. But after speaking to a lot of users there and listening to wonderful presentation like those given by Mark Colonna, William Chen and a whole lot more, I became very excited of what I purchased and I could not wait to get back to the clinic to start using the Waterlase.

    Not only was I so excited of what I saw but the fact that I was the only one so far in Mississauga , Ontario, with a population of 610,000 that has – it made me even more ecstatic. Since I came back, I have been using my Lasers. Note I said “Lasers”. I ended up ordering the Lasersmile as well. So far, I have done two (2) Fibroma removals with the Waterlase and Lasermile. Numerous cavity preps with no anesthesia as well as lasing canker sores. Lasersmile whitening on three patients and I have a lot more lined up.

    The last time I was this excited was when I passed the NDEB in 1995 to practice dentistry in Canada! This is a new beginning for us and I feel so proud to have both lasers. When you want to be on the leading edge and be on top of things you have to take risks and this risk is well worth it.

    I’m having an open house in April which is Dental health Month for us and I will be inviting all the specialists in my area as well as Physicians. So far the response has been phenomenal and the word is out that we’ve gone Laser. We are also updating our website to let everyone know what we can offer.

    Hope this helps.

    William Rodriguez DMD

    http://www.thesmilecentre.com

    #12331 Reply

    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Hello Michael,

    I’ll take a stab at your questions……..

    Does anyone know if any CRA evalutors have started trying the hard tissue lasers (Waterlase or DeLight)?  I wonder if anyone has heard any preliminary reports in the field or from CRA. You know how they are down on the in office light activated bleaching.  

    CRA, has disappointingly, done very little with any lasers over the past 14 years, and what they have done has led to extremely inaccurate conclusions.

    Drs. Gordon and Rella Christenson have done very little to educate or involve themselves in this admittedly complex topic.  However, they continue to volunteer their ill-informed opinions to their informtion-hungrey audiences.

    For example, both at the Chicago Mid-Winter Meeting last weekend and in the February 2004 issue of Dentistry Today, Dr. Christenson offers a very inaccurate portrayal of lasers for periodontal treatment.  Look for our letter to the Editor on that topic!

    Also,  how do you think the next generation of hard tissue lasers will be improved…what will we see?

    For the next “generation” I think we will see some simple changes that don’t require complete redesigns of the entire systems, changes that really just involve computer software such as more Hertz, maybe a new external box shape, improvements in tips, handpieces and delivery systems.

    Smaller units (They are fairly big)
    Work a little faster.( Some occlusal restoration stories make them sound like a good bit more work than the ole high speed.
    Less discomfort? I’m not sure what percentage of the time  laser docs are using local.
    Quieter popping sounds.
    Less cost (They are really pricey)

    Eventually, some company will push the major players into a complete technology upgrade to smaller, faster, more efficient lasers.  But don’t expect prices to come too much unless there is a huge technology breakthrough.  Erbiums are fussy and more complex machines than other solid-state pulsed lasers like Nd:YAG.

    But there are already at least one international laser that is digital, that therefore can offer variable pulse durations and Hertz.  They still have a ways to go to improve user friendliness, features, multiple powers and optimal clinical parameters.

    As you might surmise I’m tetering on buying one now to begin on the early curve.  However, I was one of the early purchasers of dental office management computers about 18 years ago and I remember paying &#364,000 for and IBM CPU alone that ran at a whopping 8 Mhz and had 30 MB of hard drive.  The early software was pathetic.  I went through 2 dental software company bankruptcies and 3 transitions until I got Softdent. Whew.

    Been there………

    I have a fear of getting burned again with hard tissue lasers today but I love high tech stuff and like providing the best dentistry I can to my patients.  Is this a good time jump in with a hard tissue laser?

    Define your clinical needs, go to the meetings and talk to all the laser companies, get Jeff Manni’s book.  Buy a laser not a social event.  Educate yourself.  There are lasers that have optimal parameters for their wavelength and for real problems we face everyday in our profession.

    Good luck.

    Bob

    #12328 Reply

    Michael – I agree with Bob. Using lasers in dentistry has everything to do with evaluating what your intended end result should be and choosing a wavelength that will get you there. Believe me, I understand that feeling of “Am I getting in too early?” I have three different wavelengths of lasers, one of which the manufacturer went out of business. Fortunately, that company got bought out by one of the bigger players.

    I think that starting with a book like Manni’s is the way to go. Once you know the physics behind how these things work, you’ll be able to answer many of the great questions you pose. Plus, it’s a great text.

    Good luck!

    Kelly

    #12330 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    You know what Kelly, your post is BANG on. What I see out there from many manufacturers is an emphasis on our laser can do it all. Its unfair to expect one laser to do it all and if you realize the limitations of a certain wavelength as well as the benefits of it compared to another then you can make an educated decision on the impact that laser will have on your practice.

    I constantly harp about the value of a basic understanding of laser physics and science being important for those who are anticipating buying a laser, and yet I still see alot of people rushing out to buy on impulse and then having buyers remorse when the laser doesnt remove amalgams or cut crowns or occlusals as fast as a handpiece.

    I hope that in your lectures you educate your students about the value of a basic laser course (standard proficiency) because its the key to knowing whether you will be happy with a certain laser or not.

    Kudos to you for your remarks because in my opinion that is why this board is so helpful……people try to look at the research and science in a way that will impact their clinical work, instead of the cookbook approach to settings and listening to all the hype from various sales reps who vouch that their laser can do it all .

    Some can do it all ……….JUST NOT WELL.

    Glenn

    #12329 Reply

    You know, I was thinking about this post today and I thought of an appropriate comparion: Handpieces. A handpiece is a handpiece. All dental handpieces serve roughly the same function – they spin burs. This is no different than lasers. All lasers emit light. I consider the differences in wavelengths like the different burs that are available to us. Now, I know we’ve all met the occasional dentist who swears he uses nothing but a #170, but this has never worked for me. For some things, I like diamonds, for others carbides. And my assistant just laughs at all the different shapes I like to have (for butt joints, feather edges, chamfer, etc.).

    So, any laser sales person who tries to convince you that “This laser does it all” is really doing the laser movement a disservice. The beauty of lasers in my mind is that there are different wavelengths for different target tissues. If you want optimal results, you buy more than one laser. If it’s just speed you’re looking for, you should have bought a Mercedes!

    Now all I need to do is figure out a way to build my Er,Cr:YSGG, Diode and Nd:YAG into my chair and I’ll be set! Perhaps one of you more “innovative” types out there could help me design it.

    See y’all in Palm Springs!

    Kelly

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