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    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Jeff,

    Why not used the FRP Nd:YAG to detect for caries when it won’t “prep” the tooth–only remove organic debris?

    At 3.00 watts 10Hz 100usec it is very good at finding decay even through enamel.

    Using AA it seems to me is similar to using erbium to “detect” decay…..

    Bob

    #12258 Reply

    doctorbru
    Spectator

    Bob,
    You say the FRP:NdYag can be used to detect caries even through enamel . Please explain, what tissue or tooth interactions  would I expect to see ?. I feel a need to get me some extracted teeth and start experimenting.

    Can you use the periolase to remove decay ? If so , please describe the technique and possible side effects- like over heating the pulp or incomplete caries  removal.

    Yes, I am pretty sure the periolase can remove organic debris. How much oraganic debris do I really want to remove  ? What about using the 1064nm wavelength to sterilize the caries affected dentin ? What exactly is the “dentin etch” effect created by this laser and how will it effect SEBA’s ?

    Sorry so many questions, maybe you could just point me in the right direction here. Where can i read about this stuff ?

    Bruce

    #12272 Reply

    Benchwmer
    Spectator

    Bob,
    I use AA as a quick technique to remove stain in grooves, old sealants and existing composite to detect caries.
    Erbium would destroy and remove more tooth structure and take twenty times longer. I use the Nd:YAG routinely to remove deep dentinal caries, pulp capping, some root caries (AA creates bleeding, problems for bonding unless you shield the gingiva well)
    Here is a 50 year old.
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    Non-smoker. I want to remove stains and sealant, to detect caries or clean the enamel to seal.
    Once stain was removed, discovered #4 round bur size caries. This preparation was done with only AA 27micron Aluminum oxide. Erbium could then be used to remove remaining caries. I only use the Nd:YAG in cases with Local. I do this cases w/o LA.
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    The case was then restored with dentin bonding and composite.
    I’ve done thousands of these restorations, one of the reasons I purchases an Erbium was to be able to finish caries removal w/o LA on these type of cases.
    There are many different ways for diagnosis, I haven’t used an explorer as the definative test in years.
    Case selection determines my treatment. I have alot of laser and non-laser choices.
    Jeff

    #12275 Reply

    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Thanks Jeff,

    In those cases of deep decay, AA is faster.

    I feel a need to get me some extracted teeth and start experimenting.

    Bruce–We recommend that one of the first things you do is get some extracted teeth and see what interactions you can achieve………..

    See settings above for decay removal.

    Bob

    #12273 Reply

    JanetCentury
    Spectator

    Nice combination of techniques Jeff. This is one of the reasons I don’t charge extra for the use of the laser (like some do around here). I want to be able to pick up the instrument of MY choice for any given situation. High speed, low speed, aa, erbium, nd:yag – I like having them all available!

    #12264 Reply

    Albodmd
    Spectator

    Jeff,
    Just wondering how you fit everything in your ops? Do you have oversized ops? I see you have an erbium, nd:yag, and AA. I just have an erbium and a periolase and it’s a pain moving everything around. Any tips on having an efficient op with all the equipment?
    AL B

    #12266 Reply

    Benchwmer
    Spectator

    Al,
    I moved last year. New design gave me a little more room. Placed the AA inside rear cabinets. I have 2 PerioLases and an Opus Duo. Try to schedule patient when need Erbium in correct room or will move patient instead of moving Erbium. Since October have had two Duos (Had one from company for my demos/lectures). They took it back Tuesday, was nice having both type of lasers in each of my operatories. I place the Erbiums behind the NdYAGs, find the PerioLase easier to move. The PerioLase is always in position to use, roll away when need the Erbium, then pull the Erbium into position. My operatories seem to keep getting smaller.
    Jeff

    #12260 Reply

    doctorbru
    Spectator

    Hi Jeff,

    My wife Kate and I had a great time at the MDT clinicians meeting and enjoyed meeting you.

    I may have already asked you which AA machine you use but cannot remember. I have an old Kreativ Mach V or IV but find it takes up too much room now that I am using my erbium and periolase daily. My ops are way too small and I have no plans on moving ( don’t know where I am going to put the cerec machine at this point.)

    AA in rear cabinets sounds doable.

    Bruce

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