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    Hello out there:  An elderly woman arrived at my office two days ago with a lesion in her buccal vestibule – very painful, even deep into the tissue.  Orajel wasn’t helping and her physician suggested she see her dentist.  I treated the lesion with my Pulsemaster 600 Nd:YAG:  10Hz w/ 60mJ, then 80mJ and 100mJ each for 15 sec.   Patient returned less than two days later with almost complete resolution of the lesion and all symptoms gone.  She is a skeptic no longer.

    Hope every one has a great weekend.

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    #10459 Reply

    Robert Gregg
    Participant

    Nice service Kelly. Nice photos too.

    Can’t do a nicer thing for your patient!

    Hope you charged her for that, or made a big deal for her about the “high-end” level of service you make available to your patients through technology that is unique to your practice…….??

    Bob

    #10449 Reply

    Thanks, Bob. As a matter of fact, I did charge her for this Tx. (&#36100, I think?) I was really taken back by how skeptical she was prior to treating this lesion. I have done fillings for her in the past with the Waterlase, which she enjoyed. But she just couldn’t understand how a laser could fix her soft tissue if her Orajel couldn’t. I suppose that using lasers is always a learning experience – for provider and patients, alike.

    #10461 Reply

    Swpmn
    Spectator

    Very nice service, Kelly.

    That’s an apthous ulcer, right? The Nd:YAG fiber contacts the tissue, right? Was there any need for anesthesia?

    Have any theories been proposed or investigated regarding the mechanism by which laser stimulation causes resolution of these painful lesions?

    Was the Pulsemaster 600 Nd:YAG made by ADT? Does it have user-selectable pulse durations? Happen to know what pulse duration you used to treat this lesion?

    Thanks,

    Al

    #10455 Reply

    ASI
    Spectator

    Hi Kelly,

    Looks good. How long have you had your Pulsemaster?

    I like the photo of you with your baby girl. How old is she now? I have a 21 month little guy. Max keeps us pretty busy.

    Andrew

    #10452 Reply

    Allen – Great questions. To the best of my knowledge this was an aphthous ulcer, so I treated it as such. The fashion in which I treated the lesion was based on research I have read supporting the biostimulatory effect of lasers. Most of my information comes from the text by Jan Tuner and Lars Hode: “Laser Therapy”.
    I actually used the Nd:YAG in a defocused manner, approx. 1cm away from the lesion. The patient noted no discomfort, heat or any other symptoms. Quoting from their text regarding aphthous ulcers: “…The sypmtoms of most patients can be alleviated by laser treatment, and the healing period can be reduced. Carbon dioxide, Er:YAG and Nd:YAG lasers can also alleviate symptoms if a defocused beam is used. The dosage is determined by the patient’s response to pain relief. When the patient feels a distinct reduction in pain, you are on the way to the ‘right’ dosage. Several treatment sessions are often necessary to prevent any discomfort to the patient until the aphthae have disappeared. 4-6J is a good ‘starting point’.”

    Some literature they quoted from:

    Fagoni V et al. Use of HeNe soft-laser in 32 cases of mouth aphthae. Laser Abstracts (Rivista Europea di Laser Terapia Medica e Chirurgia). 2 (2): 25-29

    Takashi K. Clinical evaluation of a GaAlAs semiconductor unilaser irradiation on solitary aphthae erosion and hypersensitive dentine. Shikwa Gauko. 1987; 87 (2): 295-.

    Colvard M, Kuo P. Managing aphthous ulcers: laser treatment applied. J Am Dent Assoc. 1991; 122 (7): 51-53.

    Howell R M et al. The use of low energy laser therapy to treat aphtous ulcers. Ann Dent. 1988; 47 (2): 16-18.

    There are more articles, but you get the drift, I’m sure.

    To answer you question with regards to any theories being proposed on mechanisms by which this effect takes place: There appears to be two ways that low level laser therapy affects the tissue to which it is being appied.

    First, there are certain cell functions which are stimulated locally (where the light hits the tissue – “primary response”). It is known that chromophores in the form of e.g. porphyrins, play an important role.

    Secondly, there is a systemic effect, well shown through the use of CO2 lasers as biostimulators. Since the wavelength of CO2 lasers cannot penetrate tissue more than a fraction of a millimeter, there is no primary response outside of the outer part of the dermis. The stimulative effect, therefore, must therefore work through a secondary response.

    Chapter 11 in Tuner & Hodes’ text goes greatly into the theory of biostimulation. They talk about how laser therapy is not based on heat development but on photochemical and photobiological effects in cells and tissue.

    The Pulsemaster 600 is/was made by ADT. I can’t say that I was terribly impressed with their company – I got very little support, but it was the first laser I bought and I didn’t know any better. I do like the laser, however.
    Unfortunately, I do not have the ability to affect the pulse duration on my laser. I can only change the Hz and the mJ. I wish I had known more about other companies and their products prior to my purchasing this Nd:YAG. Perhaps I would have purchased one that was more adjustable. I have owned this laser for just over one year.

    I hope this helps. I can’t say enough about the Tuner and Hodes text. They have a few different texts out. I’ll try to find their website and post it.

    Have a great Memorial weekend.

    Kelly.

    #10450 Reply

    For anyone who is interested:

    Great information on low level laser therapy on <a href="http://www.laser.nu/index.htm

    This” target=”_blank”>http://www.laser.nu/index.htm

    This is the website for Laser World – the Swedish Laser Medical Society.

    Enjoy!

    (Edited by kellyjblodgettdmd at 3:06 pm on May 25, 2003)

    #10456 Reply

    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Kelly,

    Thanks for the reference. This is good material. It helps us all understand how the lasers are doing what we are seeing happen clinically.

    #10462 Reply

    Swpmn
    Spectator

    Yes, thank you very much for the discussion and the website link.

    Al

    #10446 Reply

    Anonymous
    Guest

    Kelly,

    Do you know how old the lesion was before Tx? and have you found that it makes any difference in outcome, based on how old the lesion is before Tx?

    Thanks,

    #10453 Reply

    Ron,

    The patient said that lesion cropped up approx. 5-6 days prior to seeing me. She had initially covered it with Anbesol (sp?) with no improvement of symptoms. Then she went to see her physician. He recommended she see her dentist, thankfully.

    Since I have only had my Nd:YAG and Diode for about one year, I haven’t treated a ton of these. Also, many of our patients are just catching on that we can succesfully treat these lesions now. I just started a quarterly newletter last month, and were spreading the word.

    The 15-20 lesions I have treated have been of varying ages. They all have responded well and resolved within 24-48 hours. Of course none have been much bigger than 1.5cm. What have your experiences been?

    Kelly

    #10447 Reply

    Anonymous
    Guest

    Kelly,
    Having been treated for an apthous ulcer with both a erbium and a nd:YAG. I preferred the erbium, myself. The ability to paint the surface with the erbium seemed to do more for immediate relief than the nd:YAG did. With the nd:YAG it was almost 5 days until it was really comfortable. Both lesions were 2-3 days old when treated.

    #10457 Reply

    Robert Gregg
    Participant

    Hi Guys,

    I have to add my two cents here that over the years I have been both pleased and disappointed with the pulsed Nd:YAG for aphthous ulcers–NOT cold sores (HSV-I).

    Sometimes it works very well for aphthous ulcers, but more often than not, it is a disappopintment–unless we numb the area up and can remove the yellow layer and create a coagulated laser layer at the basement membrane underneath. THEN, we tend to get complete relief in all aphthous ulcers–even the deep crater kind.

    The ability to have an erbium that can create a surface effect/coagulation without the need to numb, is a distinct advantage of that wavelength for aphthous ulcers.

    When it comes to treating HSV-I lesions, the advantage reverses, I think.  The ability for the Fr Nd:YAG to penetrate and effect the deeper tissues (viral proteins) may be why these lesions do so well in a defocused mode in that they do not return to the same site after being treated with an Fr Nd:YAG.

    Just my recent thoughts after a recent observation…..

    Bob

    #10451 Reply

    Thanks to Ron and Bob for the great input.

    This lesion may have resolved so quickly since the patient had had it for almost a week as it was. Hard to say.

    My thinking when treating this lesion was that, regardless of the etiology, I wanted to stimulate all the cells in the area to get into a “healing mode”. I know it sound kookie, but a lot of the research I have been doing with regards to biostimulation suggests just that.

    I do agree that treating the surface with the Erbium would have helped with the immediate pain relief.

    Whatever the case, the patient healed quickly and is one happy camper.

    Thanks again for the great input.

    Kelly

    #10460 Reply

    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Yes, I agree with you Kelly and what you did.  I think you did a nice service for this patient.

    I think biostimulation is a correct indication for what you did.  Had you not, it may may persisted on for quite some time, as these lesions can do.  

    I know from many years of clinical experience and my own personal anecdotes using pulsed Nd:YAG for biostimulation and “biomodulation” that it is not at all kookie”, no way!  

    Biostimulation and biomodulation with near and mid-infrared (even far-infrared) lasers is a POWERFUL means of healing (the three “I’s”):

    1.  Anything Inflamed
    2.  Anything Infected
    3.  Anything In Pain

    We may not completely understand the mechanisms, but it is not VooDoo!

    Although 630nm (red) supposedly simulates the cells internal oxidation-reduction system by stimulating the “complimentary” colored green mitochandria to stimulate the production and release of cyclic ATP within the cell–leading to an increase of stimulatory “free-radicals” of oxygen.  And near infrared (800 to 1500nm) stimulates the outer cell membranes to open up the wall to calcium transport (turning “on” the switches) and allowing the cell respiratory system to increase its function–from 20% to 60% in one in vitro study.

    Who knows?rock.gif

    Bob

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