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  • #3047 Reply

    Anonymous
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    Ok, I’ll start.

    According to Featherstone-
    er:YAG not absorbed in hydroxyapetite
    er,cr:YSGG  absorbed in hydroxyapetite

    According to Featherstone the info in Dental Applications of Advanced Lasers ™ – 2003 by Manni is incorrect.

    Anyone else learn anything new?

    #8366 Reply

    dkimmel
    Spectator

    1. Be careful what you post! You never know who they are and you just might run into them at the ALD.
    2.Glenn can pull a wicked joke!
    3. It is great meeting LDF posters.
    4. The ALD needs a great deal of help if it is to progress.
    5.Letting your wife shop in Palm Springs is a big mistake.
    David

    #8373 Reply

    Glenn van As
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    Thanks to all the LDF crew for helping out.

    I think that with some proper direction that the ALD will become a strong unifying body for all laser companies not just the brand supporting a meeting.

    Thanks to all those that kindly stayed awake during my lecture.

    It was great seeing all my friends both old and new and a great big thanks to Ron, Bob, Lee, Andrew, Kelly, David, Del, and especially to Allen Williams for being such good friends and good people.

    It was great putting a face to all the names and having alot of laughs.

    All the best

    Glenn

    #8370 Reply

    whitertth
    Spectator

    I am willing to bet that Bob learned that it is always better to bring a tennis partner for his wife when in a high priced shopping area!!

    #8376 Reply

    Robert Gregg DDS
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    QUOTE
    Quote: from whitertth on 9:42 am on Mar. 9, 2004
    I am willing to bet that Bob learned that it is always better to bring a tennis partner for his wife when in a high priced shopping area!!

    You will be receiving my Amex statement………Cha CHING!

    #8368 Reply

    I am so thankful that I had the opportunity to meet so many of you guys at the ALD. It seemed a little erie to me that even though I was meeting so many of you for the first time face to face, it felt like I already knew you. You’ve got to love the internet!

    I empathize with David. My wife and my sister-in-law discovered the outlet malls just Northwest of Palm Springs. Ouch! It’s a good thing I didn’t buy a laser this weekend or the check would have bounced.

    I look forward to the next time we can all get together again. I’ll definitely be at the ALD next year.

    Kelly

    #8379 Reply

    Swpmn
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    QUOTE
    According to Featherstone-
    er:YAG not absorbed in hydroxyapetite
    er,cr:YSGG  absorbed in hydroxyapetite

    According to Featherstone the info in Dental Applications of Advanced Lasers ™ – 2003 by Manni is incorrect.

    Anyone else learn anything new?

    Bob Gregg and I were sitting by one another and were both somewhat perplexed by Dr. Featherstone’s statement. All of the absorption spectrum graphs I have seen show a peak in hydroxyapatite at 2940 nm. If I recall correctly, Featherstone said that when Er:YAG is ablating tooth structure it is only because the wavelength is being absorbed by water. Seemed strange to me as I have taken old, sterilized, dried out teeth sitting in my lab drawer and cut them with the Er:YAG without a water spray.

    Perhaps Dr. Featherstone has run some experiments of which we are unaware?

    Other new things I learned:

    1) Knowledge of the scanning wide area(I think 5x5mm) ablation by the Fotona erbium. Seemed like a great idea but couldn’t figure out how I could hold my hand steady enough to prevent nicking adjacent teeth or soft tissue.

    2) Apparently saline solutions can be placed in erbium laser irrigation water bottles when performing osseous surgery. Dr. Akira Aoki from Japan is doing this and also doing some amazing work removing pigmented gingiva as well as amalgam “tattoos”. The system should be flushed afterwards with distilled water.

    Al

    #8364 Reply

    Anonymous
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    Al,
    David and I asked Featherstone about this and he insisted er:YAG wasn’t absorbed by hydroxyapetite. He diagramed a nice absorption spectrum and when shown the Manni info he said it was wrong. Maybe DAvid remembers the diagram better.

    #8365 Reply

    dkimmel
    Spectator

    Yep Featherstone says that Mann is wrong!!!

    Me ! I am confused!
    David

    #8367 Reply

    I was perplexed by Featherstone’s comment as well. Then I though, “Who cares?! It still works great on teeth!” Hey, I passed the AP – I can forget the physics now, right? (Just kidding)

    Kelly

    #8371 Reply

    2thlaser
    Spectator

    Sounds like I missed a good time. Sorry I couldn’t make it. The news on the Aunt front is not good. She returned home, with the intent of just finishing out her life, as surgery, and any more chemo/radiation is not worth it. Very sad. I appreciate the prayers and support I have recieved from everyone on the board, thank you. My aunt thanks you as well. Please keep us in your prayers as we go through this with her over the next few months.

    Glenn, how did the workshop go?

    Mark

    #8374 Reply

    Glenn van As
    Spectator

    Hi Mark: my thoughts are with you and your family for your aunt.

    The lecture was great I thought it went well and I had fun with it. Next year there is a chance that I will be given a larger slot and an opportunity to provide a “Raise the laser bar” type of lecture.

    The hands on was minimally attended and I had fun with the LDF group who were a big help. It was a huge undertaking to get lasers (thanks to Opus, Hoya ConBio , Biolase (they came too, very nice of them to do so), Millenium, Biolitec, and Odyssey all provided lasers.

    Jeff from Designs for Vision was there and he was a huge help. We had three rows of loupes including low, medium and high power.

    There were ten scopes but we could have managed with 5 of them.
    Next year will be different and I may try it again.

    There were some minor differences of opinion between some parties which in one case was amicably solved but in the other was not, unfortunately I wasnt aware of this until after it was over.

    I learned a little about that for next year in New Orleans.

    In closing I want to thank those that came, those that helped and those that supported the venture.

    Next year will be an improvement.

    All the best and best of luck to your aunt……….

    Glenn

    #8378 Reply

    Swpmn
    Spectator

    Mark:

    So sorry about your Aunt. Went through that ten years ago with my mother. At some point you realize it’s just God’s plan and there is no point in continuing further treatment which just makes you sick and feel even worse.

    The workshop was great. A variety of Designs for Vision loupes – low, medium and high mag. Ten Global scopes. Bunch of lasers to play with Nd:YAG from Millenium; diodes from Biolitec, HOYA and Ivoclar; erbiums from Biolase, HOYA and Opus. I’ve never seen anything like it where participants could try out so many different lasers with magnification.

    Just for fun I cut a couple of crown preps on the hog teeth with two of the Erbs and shot them through the Global scope:

    Dscn0030.jpg

    Al

    #8377 Reply

    Robert Gregg DDS
    Spectator

    Mark,

    Sorry to hear about your Aunt. I too went through that a few years ago with my Mom.

    Glenn did a great job. The rest of us were just “fillers”.

    Hey Al,

    Don’t foreget to tell everyone I guessed which tooth you cut with which erbium laser. I can still tell!:biggrin:

    Bob

    #8369 Reply

    Mark – So sorry to hear about your aunt. (God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change….) You were missed. I know you would have been there if you could. I did get to see Lisa’s veneer prep when Bob Barr was doing his Biolase pitch. Nice work. I look forward to the next time I see her to see the final product.

    Glenn – I would highly recommend doing the scopes and laser thing next year. I’d be glad to help any way I can. I think that the more the word gets out about the use of microscopes, and the more examples people see on this and other sites, the greater the interest will be. Truthfully, I find it hard to work without the scope now. I try doing procedures w/ my old loupes, and it’s ridiculous. I can’t see anything. (I think I’m spoiled now!) Definitely – keep the scope thing goin’!

    Kelly

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